Radio / Amplifier - Revision history

Erwin at 13:52, 15 June 2024

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Erwin at 13:45, 15 June 2024

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Erwin: /* Wiring */

2024-05-22T12:22:00Z

Wiring

Erwin at 15:07, 12 May 2024

2024-05-12T15:07:34Z

Erwin: /* Connectors */

2024-05-12T15:05:58Z

Connectors

Erwin at 14:59, 12 May 2024

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Erwin at 15:14, 30 November 2022

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Erwin at 20:42, 13 November 2022

2022-11-13T20:42:06Z

Erwin at 20:25, 11 November 2022

2022-11-11T20:25:26Z

Erwin: /* Wiring */

2022-11-10T21:51:55Z

Wiring

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 [[File:Becker Radio front.png|thumb|A Becker radio without NAV option (BE 6806)]]
 [[File:Radio with NAV and C-C button.png|thumb|Radio with NAV and C/C button. Note the silver center piece.]]
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 [[File:Becker Radio backside.png|thumb|The backside of the Becker radio]]

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 Some models do seem to include a MOST/D2B connection, but these might be unpopulated.
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 |+"Power Amplifier B"
 TE Connectivity Multilock .070 176118-6
 [[File:Power_Amplifier_B_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]

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 |+"Power Amplifier A"
 [[File:Power_Amplifier_A_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]
 |1 Blue
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 |+"Power Amplifier B"
 [[File:Power_Amplifier_B_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]
 |1 Red / Yellow

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 *2 connectors from ISO-10487 ("A" and "B")
 **Connector "B" only has wires for the "front" speakers. You cannot use the OEM harness for controlling the rear speakers, which has to be modified manually through the 4-Channel upgrade explained below.
-*1 antenna connector, ISO for NAV version, and probably DIN or FAKRA for non-NAV version.
+*1 FM antenna connector, ISO for NAV version, and probably DIN or FAKRA for non-NAV version.
-*[only NAV] 1 antenna connector for GPS
+*[only NAV] 1 male SMA antenna connector for the active GPS
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 The coupe has the antenna integrated in the rear window heating array, and is powered by the "Antenna ON" signal of the headunit (connector A pin 5). This antenna module is a Chrysler part. '''Note:''' if you have issues with your amplifier and/or FM radio reception, there is a chance that the cabling in the sleeve going into the rear hatch is being cut through the metal, shorting the ON signal to the chassis (common issue in cars).
-==== GPS Antenna ====
+====GPS Antenna====
 This antenna is located [figure out where, probably in front of car], and is a Wisi AG 13, an '''active''' GPS antenna with a male SMA connector. [https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/audio-video-electronics/25595-gps-antenna-factory-nav-radio.html There is a thread on the Crossfire Forum that explains a lot.]

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 [[File:Radio with inverted display.png|thumb|Radio with inverted display, seen on very early Chrysler Crossfires. (BE 6806, made in 2003)]]
-==== Connectors ====
+====Connectors====
 The OEM wiring harness of the Crossfire consists of:
-* 2 connectors from ISO-10487 ("A" and "B")
+*2 connectors from ISO-10487 ("A" and "B")
-** Connector "B" only has wires for the "front" speakers. You cannot use the OEM harness for controlling the rear speakers, which has to be modified manually through the 4-Channel upgrade explained below.
+**Connector "B" only has wires for the "front" speakers. You cannot use the OEM harness for controlling the rear speakers, which has to be modified manually through the 4-Channel upgrade explained below.
-* 1 antenna connector, ISO for NAV version, and probably DIN or FAKRA for non-NAV version.
+*1 antenna connector, ISO for NAV version, and probably DIN or FAKRA for non-NAV version.
-* [only NAV] 1 antenna connector for GPS
+*[only NAV] 1 antenna connector for GPS
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-==== Antenna ====
+====FM Antenna====
 The roadster is fitted with an external antenna, similar to Volkswagen. Google P/N 1J0035849F. There is also a shorter version of the antenna, which you can find by googling "9 inch antenna volkswagen 2004".
-The coupe has the antenna integrated in the rear window heating array, and is powered by the "Antenna ON" signal of the headunit (connector A pin 5). This antenna module is a Chrysler part. '''Note:''' if you have issues with your amplifier and/or FM radio reception, there is a chance that the cabling in the sleeve going into the rear hatch is being cut through the metal, shorting the ON signal to the chassis (common issue in cars).<br />
+The coupe has the antenna integrated in the rear window heating array, and is powered by the "Antenna ON" signal of the headunit (connector A pin 5). This antenna module is a Chrysler part. '''Note:''' if you have issues with your amplifier and/or FM radio reception, there is a chance that the cabling in the sleeve going into the rear hatch is being cut through the metal, shorting the ON signal to the chassis (common issue in cars).
 ====Part numbers====

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 ===Radio===
 [[File:Becker Radio backside with Most cap.png|thumb|MOST/D2B yellow connection cap|alt=]]
-The radio itself seems to be based on the Becker Monza, and has all 3 connectors (A, B, C), although connector C is not used. Another spot for a MOST/D2B (Mercedes) connection can be found, but no fiber optics are installed (sometimes).
+The radio itself seems to be based on the Becker Monza, and has all 3 "ISO" connectors (A, B, C), although connector C is not used. Another spot for a MOST/D2B (Mercedes) connection can be found, but no fiber optics are installed (sometimes).
-Some models do seem to include a MOST/D2B connection, as shown below.
+Some models do seem to include a MOST/D2B connection, but these might be unpopulated.
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 [[File:Becker Radio backside.png|thumb|The backside of the Becker radio]]
 [[File:Radio with inverted display.png|thumb|Radio with inverted display, seen on very early Chrysler Crossfires. (BE 6806, made in 2003)]]
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 ====Part numbers====
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 BE 6811, NAV option with C/C button, MOST/D2B capped off (metal plate), "Harman/Becker", No black spot on the centered tab, DoM 22/04
 |-
 |A 193 820 04 86
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 {| class="wikitable"
-|+"Power Amplifier A"[[File:Power_Amplifier_A_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]
+|+"Power Amplifier A"
 |1 Blue
 Left Door +
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-|+"Power Amplifier B"[[File:Power_Amplifier_B_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]
+|+"Power Amplifier B"
 |1 Red / Yellow
 Fused B(+)

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-==== 4-channel configuration ====
+====4-channel configuration====
 As shown above, the amplifier does have 4 channels. However, the B connector on the Becker radio only wires the Front channels.
 [[File:Amplifier wiring.png|frameless]]
-It is possible to pull 4 new wires for the rear speakers to the headunit, by cutting the following wires on the Power Amplifier B connector: 10 (RR+, yellow) 9 (RR-, yellow/violet) 8 (RL+, blue) 3 (RL-, blue/brown). Then, wire these to the radio on either RCA jacks or into the Radio B connector using "ISO radio connector pins".
+It is possible to pull 4 new wires for the rear speakers to the headunit, by cutting the following wires on the Power Amplifier A connector: 10 (RR+, yellow) 9 (RR-, yellow/violet) 8 (RL+, blue) 3 (RL-, blue/brown). Then, wire these to the radio on either RCA jacks or into the Radio B connector using "ISO radio connector pins".
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	Amplified Left Door Speaker -		Amplified Left Door Speaker -
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		+	==== 4-channel configuration ====
		+	As shown above, the amplifier does have 4 channels. However, the B connector on the Becker radio only wires the Front channels.
		+	[[File:Amplifier wiring.png\|frameless]]
		+
		+
		+	It is possible to pull 4 new wires for the rear speakers to the headunit, by cutting the following wires on the Power Amplifier B connector: 10 (RR+, yellow) 9 (RR-, yellow/violet) 8 (RL+, blue) 3 (RL-, blue/brown). Then, wire these to the radio on either RCA jacks or into the Radio B connector using "ISO radio connector pins".
		+	<br />

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-The crossfire is fitted with a Becker radio, based on the Becker DTM High Speed (BE 6806 (non-NAV) / 6811 (NAV) / ZH 29) . The speakers on the non-Base models are powered by an additional Infinity Amplifier.
+The crossfire is fitted with a Becker radio, based on the Becker DTM High Speed. The speakers on the non-Base models are powered by an additional Infinity Amplifier.
 ===Radio===
-The radio itself seems to be based on the Becker Monza, and has all 3 connectors (A, B, C), although connector C is not used. Another spot for a MOST/D2B (Mercedes) connection can be found, but no fiber optics are installed.
+[[File:Becker Radio backside with Most cap.png|thumb|MOST/D2B yellow connection cap|alt=]]
 Some models do seem to include a MOST/D2B connection, as shown below.
 The NAV model has an additional C/C button, that is used for the CD Changer, a function that was never shipped with the crossfire. You can find documentation about the CD changer and installation here : https://www.crossfireforum.org/forum/audio-video-electronics/10953-cd-changer-nav-receivers.html .
-<br />
+However, there are other variants that have a DTM button instead.
-[[File:Becker Radio front.png|thumb|A Becker radio without NAV option]]
+[[File:Radio with NAV and DTM.png|thumb|DTM button on the far left (BE 6802)]]
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 [[File:Becker Radio backside.png|thumb|The backside of the Becker radio]]
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 |-
 |A 193 820 00 86
-|Seems to have been first iteration, which includes ones with an inverted screen.
+|(From SN 35002636)
-Serials that have the inverted screen include: 35006768
+BE 6806, Inverted screen, MOST cap, "Becker", DoM 19/03
-Also came with a MOST protection cap
+(From SN 35006768)
 |-
 |A 193 820 03 86
+|(From SN 45002935)
 |-
 |A 193 820 04 86
+|(From SN 45065224)
 |-
+|A 193 820 06 86
+|Late(st?) model, pulled from VIN 63677, no navigation, MOST/D2B connector.
 |}

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-==== Part numbers ====
+====Part numbers====
 The Becker "ZH 29" type might refer to the Chrysler naming of the Coupe model, ZH29.
 {| class="wikitable"
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 |+"Power Amplifier A"[[File:Power_Amplifier_A_Connector.png|alt=|frameless]]
 |1 Blue
-Right Door Speaker -
+Left Door +
 |2 Blue / Brown
-Left Door Speaker +
+Left Door -
 |3 Blue / Brown
-Left Door Speaker +
+Left Rear/Sub -
 | -
 | -
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 |-
 |6 Yellow / Violet
-Left Rear Speaker +
+Right Door -
 |7 Yellow
-Right Rear Speaker -
+Right Door +
 |8 Blue
-Right Door Speaker -
+Left Rear/Sub +
 |9 Yellow / Violet
-Left Rear Speaker +
+Right Rear/Sub -
 |10 Yellow
-Right Rear Speaker -
+Right Rear/Sub +
 |11 Brown
 Ground